Martin Zarate ([info]pxtl) wrote,
@ 2008-12-01 22:00:00
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Looming political catastrophe
Am I the only one thinking that Harper has been planning this move since before the last election?

Look at it: call an election when the Liberals are weak and useless, with an impending recession. Then, with the political capital of a fresh party, go in for the kill - disembowel all the opposing parties' funding.

This puts the Liberals into the position that they have to use their ultimate desperation tactic - the coalition with the NDP and Bloc, on the brink of a recession. Even if Canadians accept the pseudo-legitimate (edit: clarification, I don't see them that way, but the public will) government, they are going to be presiding over an economic catastrophe that will utterly destroy what little respect they have left. Particularly with a vicious back-biter like Layton clinging on for the ride, the Liberals are utterly hopeless.

This is going to be a disaster of epic proportions.

Somebody in the Con party is an evil, evil genius.

Personally, I'm taking this as a sign that there's something fundamentally wrong with simply assigning the control of Parliament to the party with the most seats by default. It's created a position where Harper got to simply demand whatever he wanted, while the Liberals had to choose between rolling over and pushing the country into another miserable election. Minority governments are supposed to be about compromise, not playing chicken with the electorate.

The Prime Mininister and his cabinet should be elected by an internal vote run within the House of Commons. That would make sure that minority governments still represent the majority of Canadians - or at least the majority of Canadians whose representatives can produce some sort of a consensus.

edit: some more clarifications. I don't think the Cons would do any better with running Canada through the recession. I just think that they could weather the political storms of recession better than a Liberal government that the Canadian populace sees as questionably legitimate, particularly with since Layton has an incredible knack for making them look stupid. I *want* a Liberal government back. I just think that this one is going to be our last Liberal government for a long, long time.

Think about it - when Dion steps down, it's going to be between Ignatieff and Rae. While I despise Ignatieff's support for neoconservative military policy, I think he's a strong enough leader to pull it off... but if the NDP has any say in the replacement, which they might, then it'll be Bob Rae.

Think about that: Bob Rae, running a government, in a recession.

Doesn't matter how good a job he does. He, and by extension the Liberal party, will be scapegoated for every single problem of the recession.

The conservatives know this. They've put the Liberals in a suicidal position.

Like I said, somebody in the Con party is an evil, evil genius.




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liberals
[info]ladyjane3423
2008-12-02 03:07 am UTC (link)
I gather you don't like liberals.

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Re: liberals
[info]pxtl
2008-12-02 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I love the Liberal party values, their platform, and their beliefs. The individual members of the Liberal party? Not so much. They've been spoiled by the success of the Chretien administration.

Right now Canadian politics is a wasteland. The NDP are too belligerent to get anything done, just like the Conservatives, but without the political capital for it to mean anything. The Conservative party is just plain evil. The Greens are a hopeless gesture (even though I support them and would love to see them replacing any of their competitors). The only party besides the Cons that seems to have their shiat together is the Bloc.

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[info]nfotxn
2008-12-02 03:41 am UTC (link)
Dude, you should read this and stop using words like "pseudo-legitimate government" because you sound like A Special Email from Steven Harper. This is all legitimate and on the books. When a party gets 38% of the vote after dissolving parliament the opposing parties owe it to the Canadian people to approach the Governor General with an alternative government. They've already agreed on that much.

What we get to see now is something we haven't seen in Canadian politics in a looong time. We get to see if Michaëlle Jean is more than a pretty face.

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I'm not talking about the truth
[info]pxtl
2008-12-02 01:56 pm UTC (link)
I'm talking about public perception. I know the government is legitimate, but the public is going to see it with suspicion. I've seen lots of leftists who are only somewhat politically aware who agree with Harper - the "they can do this? What? This is legal?" contingent. They're wrong, but that doesn't matter.

Personally, I think actions like this should have been arranged since day one, as I posted in the thread. Minority governments should be decided by an internal House vote, not this ambiguous process of "plurality party gets control unless somebody can slap together a coalition after the plurality loses it a few times". That would've put the Liberals in power during the first Conservative "victory", since the Liberals are able to compromise with the NDP and Bloc and the Cons are not.

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[info]p0lish_sausage
2008-12-08 07:26 am UTC (link)
The conservatives are the best party to be in power during a recession. Out of all the things Harper is, most of them being undesirable, he is an economist. And an economist is what we need during a recession. This final blow to kill off political funding is good idea; it just has a major side effect of dismantling his rivals at the same time. Big deal. The liberals screwed up big time, and they need smarts and personality to get them back on their feet. They need to figure that out themselves, and not with tax payers money, or by making deals with devils, French or otherwise.

Coalitions work in other parts of the world, but they work because the heads of the parties in Germany, Switzerland, Japan, Holland, amongst many others, came to the table not to strike rivals down but to work together towards bettering the country. (Switzerland has had a coalition government since the 50's).

These party leaders need to resign. All of them. As much as I think Harper is our best shot out of the 4, he's a sneaky, conniving, manipulative and a robot. Hit the reset button. Reboot. Get some fresh faces up on the hill. Ones that'll work together and not try to oust one another like some bad reality show.

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Gotta disagree...
[info]pxtl
2008-12-09 05:29 am UTC (link)
Harper put Flaherty in charge of finances - Flaherty, who was our guy under Harris - an administration that sold the ETR on a 99-year no-renegotiation, no competing roads allowed contract.

I can appreciate wanting a penny-pincher and a business man running the finances in a recession, but Harper isn't it. Look at what you're defending - at a time when we need the government working together, the first thing he does is try to cut off the other party's balls. He doesn't even go after the tax break for campaign contributions (which fuels his party) to make it an even cut as a good faith gesture. He called a redundant election at taxpayer expense just so he could have the political capital to pull this stunt.

That's not a fiscal conservative, or an economist. That's fighting dirty on the public dime.

I wish we had real fiscal conservatives running the Liberals again - Paul Martin was a dull, dull leader, but he was a good finance minister.

Either way, as much as Harper would like different, he's not the government. He has a minority, that means he needs to reach across the floor or be replaced. Same deal Paul Martin had to deal with.

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